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Wasabi?

Postby Bob.Peters » Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:36 pm

So I heard my name was being thrown around here but I wasn't even invited to the party.

Now when I do come over to visit, the party's apparently over and everybody's gone home.

What's up with that?

Seems like the moderator might be a little quick to throw things in the dumpster. I would like to have seen a bit more discussion on that topic.
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Ya gotta be quick

Postby John Mason » Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:13 am

You have to be quick Bob!

Sorry you missed it while your ears were ringing.....
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Re: Ya gotta be quick

Postby Bob.Peters » Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:34 am

John Mason wrote:You have to be quick Bob!

Sorry you missed it while your ears were ringing.....


Well, I did read all the posts before the thread was vaporized. I did miss it in the sense that I was unable to respond directly.

So here's my public response. It may not stay on this board for very long, but at least I'll have said my piece.

Paul, you confuse speed with good skiing. You also confuse teaching techniques with good skiing.

Personally, I don't give a rat's patootie whether a given skier came up through PMTS, PSIA, or NAACP. Good skiing is good skiing. It almost always is a result of a combination of good teaching (from a variety of sources), good on-hill companions, AND many, many miles on all kinds of snow. Trying to use your perceived comparisons to the other skiers last Friday as some kind of validation of PMTS is downright ludicrous.

Let me explain for you, in plain English and on the record, why you were the first one to the bottom of some of the pitches at Snowbasin...

1. We were skiing in the fog with a large group on what for many of them was an unfamiliar mountain. MOST of us were skiing relatively conservatively to help try to keep all of the members of the group together.

2. Most importantly, I don't WANT to be in front of you. I don't trust you and I feel you're a danger to other skiers nearby you. Think back to a couple of times when I took off to lead the group to a certain area. You would invariably come skiing up very close behind me. Did you not notice at those times that I would slow down and pull over? I've had you come skiing past one shoulder or the other too many times in the two half-days that I've skied with you. I feel MUCH safer with you in front of me than with you behind me.

You were first to the bottom most of the time because many of us choose not to be in front of you. THAT'S your explanation - it has nothing to do with PMTS.

Furthermore, comparing your "speed to the bottom" to several members of that group is ridiculous. Some of those skiers had been on snow for a total of two or three days this year. If you insist on measuring yourself against someone, why don't you pick some real skiers with a little more time on the snow?

Better yet, why don't you take up racing? It's extremely easy to tell "who's the best" when the clock is running.

Paul, you're a good skier. You've improved a lot from when you visited Jackson Hole two years ago. You have great passion for the sport and you will continue to improve as years go by, regardless of which teaching method you ultimately adopt. But you haven't learned yet that there's a great deal more to being a good skier than time to the bottom. There's courtesy, comraderie, mutual encouragement, and safety. I think your social skills aren't progressing as quickly as your skiing skills.

So the bottom line is this; if you and I happen to intersect at another gathering some day, I prefer not to ski with you. I ski to enjoy myself, not to prove dominance over anyone else. It's not enjoyable for me to ski with you.

These comments don't apply to any other devotee of PMTS. I'd love to ski with any of you any time. Just come on up to Jackson Hole and let me know you'll be in the neighborhood. As I said above, I am uttlerly agnostic when it comes to ski teaching methods. As far as I'm concerned, miles and hours on snow are far more important in making good skiers than any particular teaching system.
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Well said!

Postby NancyH » Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:44 pm

Well said, Bob.
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inflammatory remarks

Postby midwif » Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:13 pm

A thoughtful response to an inflammatory post.
Calmer heads are prevailing. It would be helpful if someone on Epic would encourage Heluva and Fastman to stop the PMTS baiting. Heluva, in particular, seems to take delight in creating a stir. He's a young guy. Let the more mature and sane skiers lead the way to non violent forum debates!
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Postby patprof » Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:03 pm

Let the more mature and sane skiers lead the way to non violent forum debates!

Amen midwif!!
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We are all growing and learning

Postby Harald » Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:24 pm

I don?t want to gang up on Paul, and I don?t know Bob or how he skis or his ability to evaluate skiing, and what he considers a good skier, but I have said exactly the same things to Paul about his skiing as Bob did in his post, in different ways.

My version is, Paul still has a lot to learn about good PMTS skiing, incidentally it?s, early engagement, because he still times his bending, flexing or releasing incorrectly. He does not have the total PMTS package, but he sure is better then even a year ago.

I have also butted heads with Paul, in public and given him the straight from the hip evaluation of his behavior in a group and to individuals. At least, I see that there is commonality, maybe not in skiing, teaching, and approaches, but in regards to behavior as humans, as skiers.
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Re: We are all growing and learning

Postby Lonnie » Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:36 pm

Harald wrote:I don?t want to gang up on Paul, and I don?t know Bob or how he skis or his ability to evaluate skiing, and what he considers a good skier, but I have said exactly the same things to Paul about his skiing as Bob did in his post, in different ways.


Harald,

Bob used to be a back country guide at Jackson. He is one of the best skiers I've ever had the privilge to ski with. He's skied with a lot of folks and seen alot in the process. He is one of the best "finders of good snow" and skiers of bad snow that I've ever seen. He has a very calm head on his shoulders and makes good decisions. I trust him so much, he's the first person to ever take me into the back country.

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Re: We are all growing and learning

Postby Bob.Peters » Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:55 pm

Harald wrote:

I don?t know Bob

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But...

but...

but,

how could you not know me? I bought your book. :wink:
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keeping track

Postby Harald » Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:00 pm

Sorry, I should have looked you up on my rolodex before I answered. 100,001, 100,002, 1000,003, don?t worry Ill find it.
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