MA Request 4 A Michigan Skier

MA Request 4 A Michigan Skier

Postby RyanAllen » Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:04 am

Hi Everybody,

Looking for feedback on my video from a few days ago. I should be able to get out one more time this season before skiing shuts down in Michigan.



I've been working on PMTS drills almost obsessively for the past three months, but it's hard to unlearn 30 years of ingrained crap. What vexes me most is my extension. I can see it in my hips during transition. I also see a bit of stemming, or setting my free foot uphill prior to attempting to make the phantom move. I plan to do more work with my sponge, and also phantom turns where I focus on pulling my free foot close to the stance foot.

Alignment work so far - I have about 1.5 degrees of shimming under my right binding (between the Free Flex 14 & plate) and 1 degree under my left. I've also posted my foot beds, especially right foot heel and forefoot, to counter a bit of tibial varus. My knees are happier for sure. Also wondering if my SS Magnums offer enough flex? I'm about 150#.

Max's list:

Is the stance width appropriate for the size of the skier? my stance width widens by about a ski width or 2 between turns
Does the release start by flexing the outside leg? attempting to start the release using phantom move (picking stance foot up)
Does LTE tipping lead engagement to the new turn? it's getting there, but could spend more time on old LTE before phantoming into new turn
Are the feet pulled back at transition? no, I think my free foot still moves fwd a bit
Is the inside foot held back throughout the turn? partially?
Is there enough CB and CA and is the timing right? Not enough of either!! I really haven't focused much on this yet.
Is the pelvis included in the CB/CA movement? I don't know what that means
Strong inside arm? Needs to be stronger, but I am at least aware of it's existence.
Is the inside leg flexed as the turn progresses? yes I think so
Does the outside leg extend naturally (no pushing) as the turn progresses? NO! I think I tend to squat on it.
Does LTE tipping of the inside foot continue throughout the turn? First and middle, not sure how it needs to be coordinated with the release, want to delay it.
Is the skier balanced over the outside ski? yes in the middle of the turn, not so much near end of turn
Is there a pole touch and how is the movement and timing? yes I am pole touching, hopefully time my phantom move
Alignment - watch the skis and knees carefully - does anything look like it needs go be tipped in or out? right knee still slightly inward, but I have tried more aggressive canting and it causes knee pain. I did not even know what tibial varus meant until I started reading the Alignment Manual. Used posting to create a moderate amount of heel wedge.

Also, are there any suggestions for skiing spring slush? It was quite difficult!

Thank you so much!!

-Ry
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Re: MA Request 4 A Michigan Skier

Postby noobSkier » Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:53 pm

You are already on your BTE before your lift&tip, which means the stance ski is active instead of passive like it should be. Luckily, it doesn't look too bad. Focus on transferring balance to the LTE, hold for a moment, tip the inside ski. Feels stupid to do this at first, but it's the only way to tame the stance ski.

The way you transfer balance is important too. Just lifting the tail won't cut it because chances are that ski is already too far forward rendering your tipping worthless. I had lots of difficulty with this at slow speeds until HH explained why lifting the tip (or at least trying to) activates the core and promotes balance.
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Re: MA Request 4 A Michigan Skier

Postby ErikCO » Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:34 pm

From a gear standpoint, I believe the Magnum is a ski that most/all of the good skiers here do not recommend. (I have never skied them myself.) They are probably narrow enough to learn tipping but have a number of other undesirable characteristics. A quick forum search will bring up more info.
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Re: MA Request 4 A Michigan Skier

Postby RyanAllen » Tue Apr 02, 2019 3:56 am

Thank you noobSkier and ErikCo for the feedback! I really appreciate the observation about tipping onto my BTE before tipping my free foot. Wish I had observed that myself but I'm grateful for a forum like this to reveal my blindspots. I went back to my other video's, even my phantom turn videos where I saw a nice O-shape, and the BTE tipping was happening. Do you suppose tipping to my BTE first is related to my extending moves?

Should I try and stand stronger on my stance ski during the turn? I know HH says not to push because it wrecks your balance, and I have tried it anyway and felt the unbalancing. The last thing I need is anymore bad habits!

Do you see any alignment issues, particularly with my right leg?

Anyway, I intend to deliberately practice transferring balance to the LTE and holding it while tipping the inside ski. My thoughts are that this needs to be drilled progressively, from easy to intermediate slopes. I wonder if working on bpst's or sponge drills would be good drills to try and isolate LTE to LTE tipping? I do a lot of phantom work - must have been doing it incorrectly :oops:

As for the Magnums, the issue is probably mute since my son wants them for next year. They're 2008/09 models. I couldn't find any forum posts going that far back regarding the Magnum's. But I'm leaning towards a pair of Blossom White Out's for 2019/2020 based on the forum posts.

Thanks again for the feedback. Love this forum!

-Ry
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Re: MA Request 4 A Michigan Skier

Postby Max_501 » Tue Apr 02, 2019 6:15 am

RyanAllen wrote:Do you suppose tipping to my BTE first is related to my extending moves?


Extension and rotary block tipping. See the Tipping Muscles thread for more detail from HH.

RyanAllen wrote:But I'm leaning towards a pair of Blossom White Out's for 2019/2020 based on the forum posts.


The last thing you want is a wider ski right now. While the White Out is a great ski for advanced PMTS skiers it will not do you any favors while working on the PMTS fundamentals. You'd be better served with something like the Supershape iSpeed.
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Re: MA Request 4 A Michigan Skier

Postby RyanAllen » Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:23 am

Thank you, Max, for the thread referral and ski advice! I will try and absorb the tipping muscles discussion before proceeding further, and ixnay on the White Out's for now! Should I just stick with my 70cm waist late model Magnums? Is a 170 too long for the short turn drills? I should probably just save my dough for a camp, and I do like the fact that it's super easy to shim the free flex bindings. Thanks!

FYI, this is my ski...

https://www.freeride.com/gear/skis/head ... -2008.html
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Re: MA Request 4 A Michigan Skier

Postby Max_501 » Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:10 am

RyanAllen wrote:Should I just stick with my 70cm waist late model Magnums? Is a 170 too long for the short turn drills? I should probably just save my dough for a camp, and I do like the fact that it's super easy to shim the free flex bindings. Thanks!


See this: Head 07-08 Skis

170cm is a common size and should work for drills. However, generally speaking shorter is easier for mastering the drills. I used a 160cm and 165cm for many years, now I don't ski on anything shorter than a 170 (unless I'm taking a SL race ski out for some reason).
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Re: MA Request 4 A Michigan Skier

Postby Erik » Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:13 pm

Ryan-

When you make it to a PMTS camp, you will be spending most of you time learning, practicing, and doing videos on runs that are not that steep.

It appears that you were skiing on Hemlock. It might be helpful to post video for MA from a run that is not so steep. If you were one run over, on Victor, I think it would be a better pitch for doing MA. I was at Boyne last week, and the snow was consistently too soft for my taste on Victor, so I can appreciate if you chose not to ski on Victor for that reason. Victor had the pitch I wanted to ski for practice, but Stein's Mambo/Thunder had beautiful snow, although there is less consistent pitch and fall line there. North Boyne and Express both had good snow last week, and I think the section just off the Mountain Express lift, below the NASTAR hut might be the best snow quality and terrain for doing an MA video.

When it starts to get slushy, a warm temperature wax helps. In spring conditions, I take along a stick of Dominator Butter rub-on wax to put on the skis. Works well, but doesn't last long. If you have an extra pair of skis to use as Spring skis, you could have the base grind done with an open structure, which makes the wet snow less grabby.
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Re: MA Request 4 A Michigan Skier

Postby RyanAllen » Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:22 pm

Hi Erik!

I'm excited to know there is another PMTS enthusiast skiing in Michigan! Yes, conditions were getting very sloppy but the sun was out and it was beautiful. I guess my intention was to put my skiing to the test on the steepest run they've got. Conditions weren't favorable but they were much worse on Victor which has a friendlier pitch. We skied North Boyne quite a bit too. I've got a few more MA videos on my channel where I'm on easy terrain, like this sponge turn drill shot at Caberfae before the memorial slalom race:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjcPAk08L4E

That sponge does seem to help me with tipping onto my LTE sooner, as noobSkier was recommending. Maybe someday I'll be able to get down Hemlock without dropping the sponge!

Thank you for the great advice. This is better feedback than I ever received as a PSIA member, attending "education" events, and skiing with ed staff every week. It was all bunkum!

-Ry
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Re: MA Request 4 A Michigan Skier

Postby HeluvaSkier » Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:43 pm

Ryan,
Put your sponge on a rope and tie it to a belt loop!
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Re: MA Request 4 A Michigan Skier

Postby Erik » Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:24 am

Is the pelvis included in the CB/CA movement? I don't know what that means


Ryan,
There is a lot of information available that shows this visually, and explains progressions on how to develop CB/CA including the pelvis/hip. You will not get the full benefit of CB and CA if your movement does not fully include the hip. Sufficient movement of the pelvis does not happen passively with movement of the upper body.

See the following videos from Harb Ski Systems:
CA & CB
- Essentials ~ The Indoor Introduction (great demonstrations of the movement of the pelvis using a skeleton, and exercises to focus on the pelvis)
- Essentials: Upper Body (including use of hip-o-meter for feedback of the position of the hips)
- Dryland Slantboard Series (segment 7 on CB and segment 8 on CA)
CB
- Using the Pelvis in Counterbalancing
- Dryland for Counterbalance (includes overall exercises for core strength and flexibility for CB, including the pelvis)
CA
- Angry Mother 1 & 2 (use of hands on hips in "Angry Mother" posture for immediate feedback of CA, including progression to no-swing pole plant)
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Re: MA Request 4 A Michigan Skier

Postby RyanAllen » Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:53 pm

Thanks Erik! I guess I have a new lesson plan! I'll do what I can to absorb this between now and my last ski this Saturday (Crystal Mtn). Can much of this be practiced on the Harb Carvers? I also note the opportunity to make good on the dry land work - I have a slant board too. Appreciate your thoughtfulness!
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Re: MA Request 4 A Michigan Skier

Postby h.harb » Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:59 pm

I'm sorry but this isn't PMTS skiing. It is, however, skiing that you would produce from PSIA instruction or training.

PSIA movements shown here.

-Swinging pole plant to the tip of the ski. Causes squaring up.
-This squares you up so you have to extend and push out of the arc.
-No release because there is no CA at the end of the turn. There is hip squaring up.
-there is a push because there is no flexing to release. No transfer to the LTE.

PMTS skiing shows:
PMTS has CA and it is held during the flexing to release. Do not use a pole plant for the next 6 months of skiing.
PMTS has flexing and a balance transfer to the LTE in transition.

Ski on one ski, learn to use all 4 edges and balance on all 4 edges. Pick up the whole ski during the arc. These are all basic PMTS movement skills. They are all explained, shown and spelled out in my books and videos. basic
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Re: MA Request 4 A Michigan Skier

Postby RyanAllen » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:36 pm

Thank you, Harald, for sharing your feedback. It's been bothering me a great deal that I can't ski like the good skiers on this forum. With your insight I can start to get real about tackling the junk I have to unlearn. I have no allegiance with PSIA any longer and have tried to be transparent about my struggle to move on from the organization.

Yes, I have read and re-read ACBAES 1 & most of #2. Basic for sure, concise and logical. Essentials is to be my summertime read. Unfortunately it seems that not being a blank slate, I am going to have a not-so-basic challenge ahead of me. I also just bought the Alignment Manual and it gave me a lot of hope that I could figure out why it is difficult to balance on one ski - high tibial varum. Had never noticed that before even though I routinely destroy the outside heels of my shoes and pronate like crazy.

I hope it doesn't offend that I posted my MA videos. I love constructive feedback. Encouragement is nice too, but since I'm so far off the mark with my skiing, a good undressing is probably going to lead to less time wasted. I'm no kiss up, but I'm glad you said something, sir. Many thanks.

-Ry
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Re: MA Request 4 A Michigan Skier

Postby HeluvaSkier » Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:04 pm

Ryan,
Don't get too down on yourself. Everyone has to start somewhere. Acknowledgment of where you're at and where you're trying to get to is the first step. I'd encourage you to read Essentials as soon as you can. While not as direct or as thorough as Books 1 and 2, Essentials is a simple framework, that boxes you in on the movements you should be making, and immediately makes all of the materials in books 1 and 2 much more clear. Also, if I recall from some other posts, you're coaching... I'd recommend studying the instructor manual in the off season, along with doing the dry-land exercises. Lastly, get to Dumont for a proper boot fitting if you can make the trip. You absolutely won't regret it and you'll learn A LOT in the process.
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