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Early counterbalance for the new turn

Postby skijim13 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:56 am

During the bump camp we learned a new drill from Walter to learn Counterbalance on the new outside ski early. The drill consisted of while you were on your uphill LTE in a traverse lift slightly or lighten your downhill ski and then shift your CB to the new outside in a super phampton transition. A the uphill LTE flips to the BTE you are CB on the new outside ski and improves turn engagement. This is huge for me but will require hours on the snow to be able to do it quickly.
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Re: Early counterbalance for the new turn

Postby Robert0325 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:24 am

Interesting. What about CA? are you still holding onto this until after the release?
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Re: Early counterbalance for the new turn

Postby jbotti » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:44 am

Early CA is rotation, so yes one always holds CA into the release and tipping of the new LTE.
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Re: Early counterbalance for the new turn

Postby skijim13 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:53 am

Yes your hold you CA into the new turn not easy to do
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Re: Early counterbalance for the new turn

Postby Max_501 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:14 am

Here's a detailed post from Geoff on this topic:

geoffda wrote:Counteracting counteracts the femoral rotation that is introduced by tipping (which is what can cause the ski to pivot). CA doesn't create angles on its own, but it is a necessary movement to allow you to fully access tipping, counterbalance, and fore-aft. If you can do the aforementioned three things, CA is what binds them all together and allows you to stack yourself over your edges for maximum grip.

As John says, in short turns, aggressive (yet progressive) CA will absolutely cause the ski to whip around. If you are on an edged ski, it will not cause you to pivot (but you must be ON the ski--not necessarily edge locked, just fully balanced on the outside ski). Instead, (when combined with tipping, etc.) it results in the tip to biting and brings the ski around quickly. When I do this with brushed short turns, I still see two distinct tracks, even though the turn shape itself is very eliptical.

CA is the secret to a Bullet Proof Short turn. It allows you minimize the amount of time in the fall line by bringing the ski around very quickly. If you have proper CA you will find that it actually results in your inside hand moving over your inside ski edge at turn finish. IOW, CA combines with CB and foot pullback to move your body out over your skis for the strongest possible turn finish.

All of that said, IMO CA is the hardest of the movements to develop and it requires all of the other pieces to be there to be truly effective. It is also easily undone by poor pole mechanics. Make sure you have all of the other movements in place before you spend too much time working on CA.
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Re: Early counterbalance for the new turn

Postby milesb » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:53 am

Counterbalancing is slower than tipping, so it needs to start before you need it in short turns. Tipping board practice will make this clear.
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Re: Early counterbalance for the new turn

Postby DougD » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:47 pm

Jim,

Thanks for posting this. I have a (decades long) difficulty transferring weight onto my R ski for a new R footer. All sorts of bad things happen that don't occur when I'm transitioning in the other direction.

While working on this last week I noticed that early CB was present in my good side transitions but missing from my bad side transitions, and that adding it helped.

Good to know that this movement is coach/camp approved... another piece of the puzzle.
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Re: Early counterbalance for the new turn

Postby l2ski » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:27 am

This is an interesting post as I have been trying to figure this out
to release properly.

Maybe somebody can tell me if I am thinking correctly regarding early CB
and balance transfer.

I am referring to page 88 and 89 of ACBES1. This is the
beginning of the release and the figure has shading to indicate
where balance is.

In image (b) and (c) there is a change in orientation of the
femurs, knees and shins with respect to the pelvis. My conclusion
is that this is the beginning of early CB.
As the feet are flattening the legs move under the stable pelvis
while holding CA.

I can feel this on the tipping board and in my last day of skiing.
I feel much stronger to establish balance on the uphill leg.

So the start of CB should be during this part of the release;
it seems to happen naturally for a moment due to flexing the old stance leg
and allowing gravity to help with flattening the skis and holding CA.
Once balance is transferred, then one must continue tipping the new free ski
to LTE and continue CB movements. New CA movements begin once on the new edges.
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Re: Early counterbalance for the new turn

Postby skijim13 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:42 am

Check out this dryland drill this should help with the understanding of the CB change.

http://skiersynergy.com/index.php/skier ... f-the-turn
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Re: Early counterbalance for the new turn

Postby l2ski » Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:40 pm

skijim13 wrote:Check out this dryland drill this should help with the understanding of the CB change.

http://skiersynergy.com/index.php/skier ... f-the-turn


Yes, thanks for the link.
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