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Re: Off piste - technique and tactics

Postby B.Mulligan » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:33 am

I love HH's short blog on pow, that along with Expert skier 2 and the Deslaurier books were real eye openers about effective off piste technique.

And it rings true even with top free skiers. Check out marcus caston in this short, in-bounds powder segment from tahoe last season. You can see the technique,

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Re: Off piste - technique and tactics

Postby h.harb » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:10 pm

Funny story, Marcus was climbing solo at French's Dome near hood 2 summers ago. I was with Harrison, he recognized me and introduced himself. He asked, are you Harald Harb, and I helped him on one of his climbs, now we are friends. He likes PMTS.
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Re: Off piste - technique and tactics

Postby Max_501 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:48 pm

Bounce for this season. Lots of good info on ripping off piste here.
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Re: Off piste - technique and tactics

Postby blackthorn » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:28 pm

When skiing off piste I'm prepared to flex at any time. I never know when I might run into a bump that will challenge my balance or toss me into the air. I try to time terrain absorption with a release.

The key is to flex aggressively to absorb the bumpy terrain...

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and then drive the skis right back down to the snow while tipping to the new edges.

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This is from Max501 in the first page of this thread with two great images. I can't seem to copy these through, maybe someone else can.

Max says "then drive the skis right back down to the snow while tipping to the new edges."
My question is - "what movements are used to achieve this?"
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Re: Off piste - technique and tactics

Postby Max_501 » Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:07 pm

blackthorn wrote:I can't seem to copy these through, maybe someone else can.


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and then drive the skis right back down to the snow while tipping to the new edges.

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blackthorn wrote:Max says "then drive the skis right back down to the snow while tipping to the new edges."
My question is - "what movements are used to achieve this?"


After the flex to suck up the bump I extend my legs so the skis stay on the snow while simultaneously tipping for the new turn.

Harald has a blog post that has some great pics showing the timing: http://harbskisysems.blogspot.com/2011/ ... pping.html
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Re: Off piste - technique and tactics

Postby dougtee » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:58 am

Max_501 wrote:After the flex to suck up the bump I extend my legs so the skis stay on the snow while simultaneously tipping for the new turn.

Harald has a blog post that has some great pics showing the timing: http://harbskisysems.blogspot.com/2011/ ... pping.html


those images were extremely helpful for me in further visualizing pmts in skiing the bumps. what i found i really struggle with is stiffening the body at extension and not being able to smoothly transition back to absorption, any guidance for drills to work on that particular skill?
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Re: Off piste - technique and tactics

Postby h.harb » Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:49 am

Alignment and video.
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Re: Off piste - technique and tactics

Postby Ken » Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:07 pm

The goal is to have even pressure of the skis on the snow for terrain absorption.* The legs are like shock absorbers. Some times extended, sometimes retracted. Sometimes moving rapidly. Never stiff.

*I know...flex to lighten, flatten, tip to turn the other way & allow the legs to extend--the 2-footed release. That's a release, not terrain absorption.
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Re: Off piste - technique and tactics

Postby Max_501 » Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:44 am

Ken wrote:*I know...flex to lighten, flatten, tip to turn the other way & allow the legs to extend--the 2-footed release. That's a release, not terrain absorption.


In PMTS we are taught to time the release with absorbing the bump so the release and terrain absorption are usually the same.
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Re: Off piste - technique and tactics

Postby dougtee » Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:39 am

h.harb wrote:Alignment and video.

video is a goal for next season for sure. as for alignment planning a special nyc to colorado trip in november for that exact purpose!
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