arothafel wrote:To my understanding, "park and ride" is when you dump your hip, discontinue tipping as well as discontinue pulling the free foot back. In essence, you are riding the turn instead of remaining active... more tipping throughout the turn, constantly pulling back the free foot and getting the inside hip lifted.
Smackboy1 wrote:Thanks guys, you've hit upon another mystery to me, what is "dumping your hip"?
I still don't understand "park and ride" enough to know if I were to do it, what are the symptoms? Is the ski carving or skidding? Turning or going straight? Is the turn radius increasing, decreasing or staying constant?
geoffda wrote:
Park and ride means doing just enough to get the ski to engage then riding the sidecut around the turn. As others have said, the symptom is that you stop moving once you obtain an edge. Park and ride skiers can't control their speed because they have no way of controlling the size of the arc. They are completely frozen once the ski is on edge.
arothafel wrote:I'll take a stab at this since I think I've perfected this move... or should I say lack of movement.
To my understanding, "park and ride" is when you dump your hip, discontinue tipping as well as discontinue pulling the free foot back. In essence, you are riding the turn instead of remaining active... more tipping throughout the turn, constantly pulling back the free foot and getting the inside hip lifted.
Others will add more definition to it, but that's my take. I'll look for some video as I'm sure it will demonstrate it.
Carl R wrote:arothafel wrote:I'll take a stab at this since I think I've perfected this move... or should I say lack of movement.
To my understanding, "park and ride" is when you dump your hip, discontinue tipping as well as discontinue pulling the free foot back. In essence, you are riding the turn instead of remaining active... more tipping throughout the turn, constantly pulling back the free foot and getting the inside hip lifted.
Others will add more definition to it, but that's my take. I'll look for some video as I'm sure it will demonstrate it.
What if you dump your hip down to the snow early in the turn? In that case it's rather difficult to get any lower later in the turn, don't you think?
I don't think 180 degree turns can be compared to 90 degree turns.
jbotti wrote:For me it's all about the ability to bend the ski. I spent quite a bit of time being abae to "Carve" but all I was doing was getting them on edge. I noticed how Harald was able to make the skis bite back into a steep hil and ski tight arcs on steep groomed terrain. Riding the sidecut is not that hard to do. High level carving involves getting the weight forward enough that the tips will bend and this tightens the arc. For me the real test is to watch skiers (or oneself) on steep terrain. If you can carve one or two arcs on steep terrain and then in te next few turns you are skiing wide GS or super G turns, you are not getting the forward pressure necessary to bend the ski and tighten the arc. Doing this on really steep and iced up terrain is actually one of the hardest things to be able to do in skiing, so there are degrees of being able to carve at a high level. I personally hate when slalom skis end up with me skiing super G arcs. I know I have not accomplished what I wanted to on the steep terrain and if I am not totally focused and on my game, I can have this happen on any real steep slope.
The other thinhg that will tell you if you are bending the tips is the level of rebound you are getting out of the skis. On good skis, if you are truly pressuring the tips, you will have some amount of pop on almost every edge change. On the ISL rd's or Head SS Kers, if you really stay forward and start the arc hard and early, you can pop yourself off the ground on every turn. If you are getting nice rebound, you are forward. When you get to the steeps it's not enough to stay forward at the beginning of the arc, but you have to be able to stay there the whole time to keep the skis biting on every turn. Watch Harald!!
When watching video or other skiers it is very easy to see if someone is in the proper fore aft position. The hips need to be even with or preferably slightly in front of the ankle of the stance ski. Look at any good skier or WC racer and their hip is in front of their ankle at the apex of the turn. This is the position from which one can "Drive" the ski, versus riding the ski.
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