Rick H wrote:To my somewhat untrained and ancient eye, it looks like neither skier is tipping. ...
larski wrote:Ah, my first post here.
Couple of background items: I have 3 of Harb's books and intend to attend one of his camps soon (I also have Lito's first and last books and Mark Elling's "All-Mountain Skier"). At this point in my ski education/skills acquisition program, I consider it essential that I get these linked short radius turns down pat. Yes, I skied Killington's Outer Limits the other day but thank God it was not all bumped up otherwise I would have been in a world of "survival skiing."
Regarding proper short radius turns, I too would like to know whether the video linked above ( link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwJ7fuA3fsM ) depicts proper SRTs per Harb's methods.
Here's another video clip of SRT's: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLXNQvV4p8g&NR=1 . Do these examples represent proper technique? And if not, why not?
Regarding the matter of heel push vs edge set, it seems that some observers here believe that the first video shows a lot of heel pushes and that this is a bad thing. But it seems to me that even if there is a lot of heel pushing going on that these heel pushes are done with the skis on edge and thus represent a edge set as opposed to just a smearing of the snow with flat skis. If so, it would seem that these heel push edge sets could be improved upon simply by pressuring the center of the ski more -- so really it seems as if this would be just a nuance as opposed to a material flaw in technique to me.
Finally, It would be most helpful if Harb himself, or one of his colleagues, commented on the questions posted above. After all, Harb and his teaching staff best know his techniques and are thus in the best position to comment on these videos.
ToddW wrote:Harald made many comments about Berger's skiing, including the video you linked, in the thread "late hit and edge set" last February. Read the whole thread and you'll have a pretty thorough answer.
h.harb wrote:The skiing with the yellow pants is great.
jbotti wrote:I just came back from skiing with Harald and Max 501. My goal in going was to work on my off piste skiing and garner the proper technique and tools to ski moguls efficiently and with the proper movement patterns.
What was apparent immediately is that I don't have a bullet proof short radius turn and without it as Harald says so elequently "you are entering gravitational warfare without the appropraite weapons" How True!!
Max 501 has the bullet proof SRT and a lot more. He was an inspiration to watch, and he skied the most difficult terrain looking quite like Harald. I benefitted immensley from learning about Max's focus and improvement program. As he has said before, he does the drills, constantly. But more importantly he does them until he can do them perfectly. And he has focused immensley on the BPSRT.
After 4 years of reading Harald's books and spending hill time with him and Diana, the light bulb finally went off (which makes me feel very thick). The (BPSRT) is the key to all good skiing. More importantly, in order for me to go to the next level in carving, I need to master this turn with all it's nuances.
Let's be clear, we are not talking about instructor brushed/skidded turns. We are talking about truns that are very short radius, but done in such a fashion that the only way that you can tell that they aren't edge locked carved is by looking at the tracks. There is immense counter, flexing and tip pressure to initiate every turn. Max 501 is the only one that I have seen do these turns besides Harald, Diana and Jay (which is not to say that others can't or don't). This turn wil take you everywhere and enable one to ski with ease in all the toughest terrain.
The coolest thing to watch is Max and Harald using these brushed carved SRT's as a springboard (in the same run) for edge lock carved turns that have huge ski bend and are wicked tight. I had some experinece with this (no where close to these two) at the end of some runs where I was doing brushed SRT's and then went into edge loked carves. These were my best carved turns ever (and they have much further to go).
The beauty of all this is that I have seen in person, live with my own eyes what the BPSRT can do in the toughest most difficult terrain (double black bumps). We already know that Harald slays them, but so does Max!!!
He is way too modest online and in person. He is vastly improved from the video he posted earlier, which I have said many times is excelllent skiing and most that are making comments have no clue how hard it is to do what he is doing (and that goes in triple spades for his skiing right now).
So how do we all learn to ski like Max?
Do the drills. More importantly I am now on his program. I am starting with book one, page one and I will do every drill and dryland training exercise. I will do them until I can do them perfectly and then I will move onto the next one. In book two, I will do them until I can pass the test that says that I can advance.
I will also work relentlessly on the BPSRT, starting with mastering the one and two footed release drills in bok two. If you don'y have a BPSRT, this is the place to start. Get these releases to the level that they are perfect and easy.
Lastly, I will try to get as much video shot of me as possible. The video never lies and it clears up personal perception vs. reality. This is one of Max's best learinig tools and everyone should use it as much a possible.
I have often heard the critics say, yeah, Harald can kill it (and so can Diana) but what about the students. Max skies like Harald!!! I always knew the instruction was the best, but I never believed that I could ski like Harald or Diana. Max is living proof that someone can ( and in 6 years no less!!).
PMTS, simply the best ski instruction in the world!!!
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