Getting r<=30-35 to turn?

Re: Getting r<=30-35 to turn?

Postby Carl R » Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:29 am

Max_501 wrote:Carl, have you worked through the progression in Anyone Can Be An Expert Skier Books 1 and 2?

I only have the Essentials and I seem to have lost it...
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Re: Getting r<=30-35 to turn?

Postby Carl R » Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:31 am

geoffda wrote:
HeluvaSkier wrote:A skier who cannot make turns using balanced tipping has nothing to release.

This (and Max_501's latest). More to the point, anyone who is ready to be on a 35m ski would not need us to tell them that there is no tipping going on...


I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you guys are saying. Is it directed to me?
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Re: Getting r<=30-35 to turn?

Postby Max_501 » Sat Jan 09, 2016 12:05 pm

Carl R wrote:I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you guys are saying. Is it directed to me?


Yes. As stated in earlier MA's you are missing inside foot tipping and inside foot management. IMO you should consider working with Book 1 to address those issues.
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Re: Getting r<=30-35 to turn?

Postby Carl R » Sat Jan 09, 2016 12:45 pm

So if I read you correctly I lack inside ski tipping, and there is no force to release at transition?
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Re: Getting r<=30-35 to turn?

Postby Max_501 » Sat Jan 09, 2016 3:33 pm

Carl R wrote:So if I read you correctly I lack inside ski tipping...


As stated in the earlier MA its more than just tipping.
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Re: Getting r<=30-35 to turn?

Postby l2ski » Mon Jan 11, 2016 7:55 pm

In reference to what Max has suggested, have you compared your short turn video
to the following video of Diana demonstrating short turns just recently posted:



She demonstrates free foot management and the suggestions given by Max:

(1) Free foot pull back so that's it's lined up with the stance boot
(2) Free foot boot / ski edge touching the stance boot at about the ankle position, and
(3) Free foot tipping throughout the arc

I'm just an intermediate working on free foot management and found this video is a perfect
example to follow. Compare your feet / boots to Diana's (notice how the video focuses mostly on her boots).

I would also refer you ACBES1, pages 76 and 77 if you can obtain a copy (section 5-5, Fall line to phantom move).
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Re: Getting r<=30-35 to turn?

Postby oggy » Tue Jan 12, 2016 4:08 am

Max_501 wrote:When learning, you can begin with keeping the tip of the free ski on the snow, but the goal is to keep the whole ski lifted throughout the turn which is a true test of your ability to balance on the outside ski.


Does this also apply to steeper slopes? I find that pulling the free foot back strongly adds pressure to the tip and forces it to the ground...
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Re: Getting r<=30-35 to turn?

Postby Max_501 » Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:07 am

oggy wrote:Does this also apply to steeper slopes? I find that pulling the free foot back strongly adds pressure to the tip and forces it to the ground...


This is a drill. Do it exactly as described.
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Re: Getting r<=30-35 to turn?

Postby jbotti » Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:35 am

The better your one footed balance becomes the less you will want or find the tip on the snow.
Balance: Essential in skiing and in life!
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Re: Getting r<=30-35 to turn?

Postby oggy » Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:53 am

I get that it's a drill, but are you supposed to be able to perform it on steeper slopes as well?
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Re: Getting r<=30-35 to turn?

Postby Carl R » Tue Jan 12, 2016 11:02 am

So after pondering and watching my videos a couple of times more, here's my own thoughts.
First vide:
The first video actually looks better but suffers from a static park and ride. To much inside weight. Feet to far apart and not enough inside ski tipping.

Second video:
I have an excessive counterrotation in the transition/start of turn, that causes the inside leg to go forward. Previous video had a better upper body in transition.
I get my outside arm behind the body in the transition, not good.
I try to get forward on the skis, but focus too much on the upper body, and don't get enough boot cuff pressure.
Not enough inside ski tipping, and I have the feet unnecessarily far apart.

What happens next:
First and foremost, I'll spend some time on the local bunny hill doing slow one legged drills on SL skis. Second I'll work on feet pullback.

After that, we'll see where I'm at.
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Re: Getting r<=30-35 to turn?

Postby Max_501 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:41 am

oggy wrote:I get that it's a drill, but are you supposed to be able to perform it on steeper slopes as well?


An expert skier can do this drill on steeper slopes.
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Re: Getting r<=30-35 to turn?

Postby Max_501 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:44 am

Carl R wrote:First and foremost, I'll spend some time on the local bunny hill doing slow one legged drills on SL skis.


This is good but make sure you work on free foot management at the same time.
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Re: Getting r<=30-35 to turn?

Postby Carl R » Sun Jan 24, 2016 3:55 pm

I had an epiphany yesterday. For 4 days I've been focusing solely on outside ski weight and balance. SL in flat slopes, doing drills, and focused turns.

Yesterday I was on my r<30 Völkl in a "family slope" with my 2 daughters, and I was skiing mostly quite slow, balancing on outside ski. 5'th or 6'th run going down the steeper part of the green/blue run in an off camber part of the slope, I was suddenly able to pull some serious angle. The feeling was just that same that I usually have on my SL skis. They turned!

Now I realize how the forces can be built up and how utterly important the outside ski balance is right from transition and all through the turn. This is a game changer.

Thank you! :mrgreen:
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Re: Getting r<=30-35 to turn?

Postby krazzy legs » Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:19 pm

Carl for reasons of safety I would seriously think of going to a ski with a shorter turn radius & ski @ a slower speed with a tighter arc. More ski time longer to get down & G forces can be just as high as going fast if the turn is tighter. I think you ski to fast it is not worth getting hurt.
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