Head Raptor last widths?

[BigE]

Does anyone know the width of the lasts in the Head Raptor Series?

[jbotti]

I believe that there are two lasts and three flexes. There is a 99mm last with a 120 flex. In the 95mm last they have two flexes, the 130 flex like the current RS and the 150 flex like the current RD.

The boot that Harald has is a prototype and it is unclear whether it is the 99mm last or the 95mm last. I will say that it was roomier than my RS 96, and I could wear this boot out the box in a 27 (311 sole length) without any work. The boot had three different screw holes on the back and they identified three different flexes (adding screws to increase flex) which were 120, 130 and 140. Perhaps this means that this is the 130 in the 95mm last. If so, they have done an amazing job of making this tight lasted boot very foot friendly.

Harald was skiing this boot at the 120 flex and he loved it. It definitely had more flex that my RS 96 boots. But these boots were much lighter than the current RS and RD's and Harald says they have substantially better snow feel.

The on and off ease is light years ahead of the RS and Rd's which are bears to put on and especially take off when they are still cold. These boots were like putting on slippers to get in and out of.

I can't wait to see the production versions when they hit the stores. JB.

[jbotti]

I spoke with Head out of Ct. today and they answered all my questions on the new Raptor boot. The boot that Harald has (the prototype) is the RD 130 which allows three choices of flex 120, 130 and 140. This boot is a 95mm last and the sole length on the 27 is 311 and it comes in 10 mm increments in both directions. The RD 150 is the same last as the 130 with a stiffer flex and the three flex choices on this boot are 140, 150 and 160.

There are two boots with a wider 98mm last. The RD 120 has flex choices of 110, 120 and 130, and the Raptor Super Shape which has flex choices of 100 and 110.

Personally I am shocked that the boot that Harald has is a 95mm last. I told the rep that my RS 96 was significantly tighter in a 27 than the Raptor (which has a tighter last). He said that this is because of the anatomical design, built around the shape of the human foot. Evidently Bode Miller has had huge input into the design of this boot (or so I was told by the rep on the phone).

I think that this will be the hottest selling boot on the market next season.

[jbotti]

One last update. Harald says that he is being told something different from the folks at Head in Austria than what I was told from CT. He has seen the RD 150 and he says it is a very different boot than the 130. He believes that the 130 is a wider last than the 150 and the 150 is a 94mm or 95mm last.

All models should be at shops by August or September.

[Icanski]

I got a great fit and alignment from Chris at the skunk works. I'm on next season's Raptor 120 Rs. I love it. There is good room in the toe box and it's extremely responsive. After coming out of Lnage Comp 100s, this boot is exquisite. No painful point when I get out, I CAN FLEX! for the first time, and my first turns on the boot at A-Basin last week were better than what I ever did on the Langes. I love this boot. Mine were at the 110 setting. With the supershapes, they are a great combo for me.
I also was able to go down a size from my Langes. the sole is 303 from 317. Plus they match the skis
Icanski

[skinny]

Head has a nice downloadable pdf of their new boot catalog. The Raptor comes in RS and RD lasts. The RD is the narrow and RD is wider. But they don't list the last measurement. Do we have any confirmation on the differences in the two lasts. From what is above, my understanding is that the RD is 95 and the RS is 98-99? Is this correct?

[h.harb]

The RD 130 is in the 96 range the RD 150 is narrower (94). We have both boots in our shop and I have tried them on. The RD 150 is very stiff and very narrow, it will require a few days commmitment to get a good fit. I am skiing the RD 130 with a foam liner and I have never had a performance boot fit and ski so well.

HH

[skinny]

I have a more general post about the Raptor Supershapein a different thread, but in this thread I'm just looking for information on the size of the last of the Raptor Supershape RS which is the low end boot in the Raptor line. My assumption is that it is under 100, but Head does not provide this information on their web site.

[Arc_and_Spark]

The RD 130 is in the 96 range the RD 150 is narrower (94). We have both boots in our shop and I have tried them on. The RD 150 is very stiff and very narrow, it will require a few days commmitment to get a good fit. I am skiing the RD 130 with a foam liner and I have never had a performance boot fit and ski so well.
HH

Interesting, so means that the Raptor series has 3 lasts (?). I had my heart set on the 120 RS but if the 130 is 96 mm then perhaps I should upgrade to a higher performance.shell I was thinking that the 130 and 150 shared the same last at ~94 (which would result in way too many hrs in a bootfitter's chair for my tastes)

[h.harb]

I know Head has published that the 130 and 150 are the same last. But due to a difference in plastics the 150RD is coming out much tighter across the toes and in the arch area.

[h.harb]

The 120RS is a true 97 to 99. As is the new MOJO. If you don't like red the MoJo has a brown leather look, unique graphic but basically the same boot.

[skinny]

So are the Supershape Raptor and the Mojo XP the same boot? They both are listed as having the RS last, the Heatfit Pro liner and a flex index of 110/100. Is this the same last as in the Raptor RS 120? Would they have the same last width of 97 to 99? The Raptor Supershape and the Mojo XP seem to be the same boot except that the Mojo has a shock absorber.

[Arc_and_Spark]

skinny, i believe that's correct.

[Arc_and_Spark]

I know Head has published that the 130 and 150 are the same last. But due to a difference in plastics the 150RD is coming out much tighter across the toes and in the arch area.

Thanks Harald, this is great info. For me, the choice is between the 120 RS and the 130 RD. I'm really torn between the two. With the 120 i can get an exceptional fit right out of the box. With the 130 I'll need some work done, but I'm trying to decide whether the incremental performance advantage obtained from the closer shell fit is truly worth it given my needs and developmental stage. I'm a very good skier (perhaps an 8 on the scale that some use) and an accomplished carver but I'm continuing to hone my skills (including PMTS techniques of course) and looking to take my skiing to the next level. Thanks again for the inside dope.

Arc & Spark

[h.harb]

At most levels, I?m a believer you get more performance from a boot if you work on the extreme bulges or protrusions of your feet into the shell, as long as muscle function is not impaired, compared to trying to fill volume in wider spaces. But that determination is best made with the consensus of the boot fitter, with foot in hand and the customer on hand.