PHANTOM permanent base glide by DPS ?

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PHANTOM permanent base glide by DPS ?

Postby Darren » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:41 pm

Phantom by DPS anyone try this product ?

A one time application base penetrating formula that forever eliminates the need for waxing skis & snowboards. Sounds to good to be true.

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Re: PHANTOM permanent base glide by DPS ?

Postby jbotti » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:40 am

Agree that it sounds to good to be true but it might be something that would last much longer than a hot wax and brush. I will check it out and can report back after using it. This is the first I have heard of it. Maybe someone else has tried it and will respond.
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Re: PHANTOM permanent base glide by DPS ?

Postby tigernbr » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:12 pm

Here's a youtube vid on how to apply it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jgFo4qIhEM
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Re: PHANTOM permanent base glide by DPS ?

Postby jbotti » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:41 pm

I read the reviews. I was less intrigued until I read that you can also apply wax on top of the coating. In Montana we get some wicked cold temps. You either have to have no wax (at least 10 days without waxing on the skis) or super cold light blue or light green wax with extreme cold powder if you want to enjoy the skiing. Even with the right wax you still go slow but with the wrong wax its misery. Its possible that this coating would handle to cold temps but you can't know for sure in advance. Same thing for Spring slush. So knowing that I can add the right wax when I need to makes the product more usable.

Having said all that $99 per pair of skis seems high. I can wax every 3 days for the life of a ski with training wax for maybe $10-15. I think this pricing is aimed at guys that pay $15-20 a pop to have their skis waxed. For them it makes immense sense.

Still I will try one set up and see how I like it on some skis. Maybe they will drop the price after a while.
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Re: PHANTOM permanent base glide by DPS ?

Postby BrettBPotter » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:07 pm

In Mammoth we often get heavy wet snow and gliding has way more to with base structure than the wax. We don't suffer the extreme cold requiring the blue or cosmic blending of floors. Personally I would love to see how this would work in wetter warmer stuff because again without an extremely coarse structure the ski is going to suction to the snow like two piece of wet glass.

As for penetrating the base, unless you have a sintered base which is porous, how could anything penetrate plastic (p tec) bases. Just last week I had a summer grind put on a pair of tt80s and it was amazingly effective in the wet snow. Plus, I enjoy honing my edges and waxing my stuff. With a good roto brush, it only takes a few minutes.

Lol my first post. I don't know yet how to ski well but I am very good at having my bases and edges perfect.
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Re: PHANTOM permanent base glide by DPS ?

Postby Max_501 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:16 pm

BrettBPotter wrote:In Mammoth we often get heavy wet snow and gliding has way more to with base structure than the wax.


So true! I have skis that are set up with a course spring structure and I rarely bother to slap a coat of wax on them.
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Re: PHANTOM permanent base glide by DPS ?

Postby Darren » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:47 pm

The main reason I was interested in the product is my ski bases seam to wear down very fast right next to the metal edge. Which results in having to file down base edges to keep up with the wear on ski base right next to the metal edges resulting in shorter life expectancy of ski.
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Re: PHANTOM permanent base glide by DPS ?

Postby DougD » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:10 am

Darren wrote:The main reason I was interested in the product is my ski bases seam to wear down very fast right next to the metal edge. Which results in having to file down base edges to keep up with the wear on ski base right next to the metal edges resulting in shorter life expectancy of ski.

Interesting. The only skis I've ever had do that turned out to be non-flat (railed) from the factory.
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Re: PHANTOM permanent base glide by DPS ?

Postby Darren » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:41 am

Doug I never had the problem with the older straighter skis & before our ski club started making snow. I like to ski slower with a tighter line weigh about 180 ski on 150 cm head isl none RD & fisher RC4 sl race ski. I live where it is often cold Kenora On ( close to Winnipeg which is often called coldest city in the world) with wind chill in -40s today. We do not get a lot of new snow.The man made snow seams to fuse together becoming very hard.

I probably have a few factors out of the ordinary causing extra wear.

To help keep feet warm today I warm my boots with a hair dryer, wrap mylar blanket (space blanket) around liners of ski boots & use thin chemical toe warmers for toes. By doing this I can be out side my guess 2 - 3 times longer
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