Ancient wrote:Max_501 wrote:
If you want the kids to be fast you gotta get them off the inside foot.
Do you see any improvement in this aspect?
Ancient what do you see in this frame? Where is the balance?
Ancient wrote:Max_501 wrote:
If you want the kids to be fast you gotta get them off the inside foot.
Do you see any improvement in this aspect?
Max_501 wrote:Ancient wrote:Max_501 wrote:
If you want the kids to be fast you gotta get them off the inside foot.
Do you see any improvement in this aspect?
Ancient what do you see in this frame? Where is the balance?
Ancient wrote:Max_501 wrote:
If you want the kids to be fast you gotta get them off the inside foot.
Ancient what do you see in this frame? Where is the balance?
Ancient wrote:Max, if you take these frames, it looks to me that the balance is on the outside ski:
https://picasaweb.google.com/1035879170 ... 2688049762
https://picasaweb.google.com/1035879170 ... 6772599586
Concerning the initial part of the turn, it seems to me that an inside/fore projection of the torso is involved which has little to do with the balancing over inside or outside ski, or I am completely wrong in terms of PMTS Technique?
@ JBotti: I believe you're right, my kid has been trained with the phantom move by his coaches but probably not so often and therefore non sufficiently.
Cheers.
Ancient
geoffda wrote:Moreover, consider where his center of mass is with respect to his skis. The inside ski is almost directly underneath him which practically demands that the balance goes there.
Ancient wrote:It seems to me that this comment also applies to this frame from the video Harald Harb's Miracle Movement:
https://picasaweb.google.com/1035879170 ... rald_Harb#
Don't you think so? Or maybe my ability to analyse body posture and stance is failing?
Ancient wrote:geoffda wrote:Moreover, consider where his center of mass is with respect to his skis. The inside ski is almost directly underneath him which practically demands that the balance goes there.
It seems to me that this comment also applies to this frame from the video Harald Harb's Miracle Movement:
https://picasaweb.google.com/1035879170 ... rald_Harb#
Don't you think so? Or maybe my ability to analyse body posture and stance is failing?
Ancient
Ancient wrote:geoffda wrote:Moreover, consider where his center of mass is with respect to his skis. The inside ski is almost directly underneath him which practically demands that the balance goes there.
It seems to me that this comment also applies to this frame from the video Harald Harb's Miracle Movement:
https://picasaweb.google.com/1035879170 ... rald_Harb#
Don't you think so? Or maybe my ability to analyse body posture and stance is failing?
Ancient
jbotti wrote:Dude!! Come on!! Do you want help or do you want everyone to say that your son rips (and there is a forum where you will get that so you can post there). When you start stuff like this you are wasting everyone's time.
Tomi's inside foot is almost directly beneath his CM and his inside leg is still blocking his hips from being able to lower.
Ancient wrote:Tomi's inside foot is almost directly beneath his CM and his inside leg is still blocking his hips from being able to lower.
If the hips fall lower to the snow free of the inside leg I would imagine that the CM would move toward the inside leg unless enough counterbalance is applied, and that's what I see in Tommy's frame above. But, again, honestly I don't think of myself beeing enough skilled in MA, so your motivated evaluations are really appreciated.
geoffda wrote:jbotti wrote:Tommi is a little ripper!! He's doing a lot right (especially for a 5 year old). The one improvement that he can make instantly that will set him aprt from others his age and older is moving his feet and skis closer together. Youngsters tend to rely more on a wide stance for balance. He clearly has the ability to ski with a tighter stance. This allows and promotes PMTS movements better. I am going to guess that his coaches may disagree with this.
x2. Plus he needs to learn to tip his old stance (outside at transition) foot to little-toe-edge. I have the same problem with my son. Part of the trouble is that they just don't have the hip width and all kids skis are relatively wide, so even small amounts of space between the skis translates to big stance issues. The issue that Tommi has with his stance is that he is skiing with his feet wider than his hips. This means that he can't really tip his feet effectively which causes problems both with trying to release the ski as well as trying to engage the new edges. Right now, he is pushing against the big toe edge of the downhill ski to give himself a platform to extend the old free (inside at transition) leg in order to move his hips into the turn. His angles come from this extension, but at times his balance is off and he pushes himself onto his inside ski (which he has to steer to catch himself). As long as he is pushing off and extending in transition, he will be blocked from tipping his feet. Also, when you push off at transition, it causes the ski to break away in firm conditions. These are really classic problems and are the opposite of PMTS movements.
This is almost identical to how my son was skiing at that age. Unfortunately, if you don't get his stance narrowed and get him off the big-toe edge at transition soon, it may be hard to change his skiing. As good as this skiing looks (and this is a very talented kid), this is not PMTS skiing. In PMTS skiing the movements of release, transfer and engagement all start with the feet. Specifically, we always focus on tipping the old stance (outside at transition) foot from big-toe-edge to little-toe-edge (and continuing the tipping throughout the turn). We flex our knees to release the ski and we tip onto new edges while the ski is light. When we release, the energy from the previous turn helps move us into the new turn. We never try to push ourselves into the new turn; instead we balance at the top of the arc and use that time to get ourselves organized to handle the pressure when it comes to us.
Try to get him to narrow his stance and teach him the Phantom Move. If you have him touch his stance boot with the edge of the ski that he is lifting and tipping, it will give him a good external cue for managing his stance. Have him finish the turn on the little-toe-edge of his old free (inside at transition) foot so that when he lifts and tips the old stance (outside at transition) foot, it will trigger a release of the old turn. The tipping actions of the Phantom Move at this point, combined with the forces of the released turn, will allow his center of mass to move naturally into the new turn.
I've noticed a trend where skiers are working on carving before they have mastered inside foot management. This leads to a variety of symptoms that all relate back to the lack of inside foot management.
Work on the Super phantom with touch-tilt:
As in a regular super phantom, transfer balance to LTE of the uphill ski. Then, touch the inside edge of the lifted, dowhnill ski to the inside ankle rivet of the stance boot ("arch touches ankle"). Keep it touching while tipping the free foot further toward its LTE. Don't let that free foot touch the snow until the very end of the turn. VERY IMPORTANT STEP! At the end of the turn, when the free foot touches the snow on its LTE, immediately pick up the new free foot, and touch-tilt the new stance boot.
When learning, you can begin with keeping the tip of the free ski on the snow, but the goal is to keep the whole ski lifted throughout the turn which is a true test of the skier's ability to balance on the outside ski.
Reread the Free Foot Management section of Book 2 to be sure you know what to look for when working on this. Start with the Pole Press drill (pages 68 - 69 of book 2) so you have a good understanding of the muscular effort needed to hold the free foot against the stance boot.
Ancient wrote:I took good note of all of yours suggestion and let's see if I succeed in the near future in having my sons step into another level in PMTS skiing.
Thank you very much.
Ancient
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