It's easy to recognize the obvious, but not how to do it.

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It's easy to recognize the obvious, but not how to do it.

Postby h.harb » Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:50 pm



Sure, long leg, short leg but, how? No one tells you, How to do it right.
To bad the rest of this video is horrible.

Leaning, hopping, rotating, why?
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Re: It's easy to recognize the obvious, but not how to do it

Postby h.harb » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:37 pm

Looks like the interest in skiing is over for another season.
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Re: It's easy to recognize the obvious, but not how to do it

Postby CO_Steve » Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:33 am

Sorry, I was busy working on my double pole plant.
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Re: It's easy to recognize the obvious, but not how to do it

Postby arothafel » Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:32 am

Ugghhhh...! That video brings back memories of my old Master's Training Camp.
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Re: It's easy to recognize the obvious, but not how to do it

Postby NoCleverName » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:51 am

Going up the chairlift I see a lot of young racer-types performing this "posed turn". The fact their coaches don't do anything about it is telling.
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Re: It's easy to recognize the obvious, but not how to do it

Postby BigE » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:52 am

There is so much else wrong going on there's no point to begin the dissection.
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Re: It's easy to recognize the obvious, but not how to do it

Postby h.harb » Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:15 am

So much else wrong


Unfortunately the norm not the exception.
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Re: It's easy to recognize the obvious, but not how to do it

Postby jbotti » Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:17 pm

Personally I think a wider stance would help.
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Re: It's easy to recognize the obvious, but not how to do it

Postby seskelson » Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:42 pm

May I also say, on a number of the demonstrations I like the amount of weight on the inside ski, how that inside ski is scissored forward as opposed to pulled back, the large "up" movements, the "level" shoulders and - my personal favorite -(being a ski patroller) - I think I see just some hints of the old "troller turns" where the arm is brought somewhat across the upper body and thrown into the next turn and used to generate lots of rotation into the next turn.
Harald, don't worry we are still our here watching your posts and learning. Thank you.
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Re: It's easy to recognize the obvious, but not how to do it

Postby h.harb » Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:00 am

Well MA'd, that skiing really is filled with mistakes and unrefined technique, but this is highly acceptable in ski coaching (USSA) and PSIA. How can one put up that kind of skiing and think it should be an example for anyone?
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Re: It's easy to recognize the obvious, but not how to do it

Postby BigE » Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:02 am

They just don't know any better, and they refuse to believe that they don't already know everything. I guess their athletes make it to the WC? Oh I forgot, they don't make it because the kids are just not good enough. In fact, not worth caring about how well they ski in the end or not....
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Re: It's easy to recognize the obvious, but not how to do it

Postby h.harb » Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:05 am

I know Steve you are joking, but consider this. The comment: "I am working on double pole drag." In fact, there should be no effort in putting both pole tips on the snow, it should be obvious. However the real benefits, are what the body is actually learning when doing a double pole drag, and they are, flexing and CB.
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Re: It's easy to recognize the obvious, but not how to do it

Postby Ihamilton » Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:55 pm

It is amazing how a drill such as a double pole drag can make such a difference in such a short time frame. This morning at Whistler it was refrozen corduroy, ugly stuff, and I was skiing with Ian Dunn from Sydney. We decided to do drills and this was the first one. We did it combining with the HH tip of how to ski on ice posted a couple of months ago. Voila, it didn't seem so iced any more. As the snow softened up we added tuck turns for CA and CB. Ian's turns were amazing but he knew the phantom move already so a good skier got a lot better in a short time using simple drills the right way. Still lots of snow here, we don't close until late May.
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Re: It's easy to recognize the obvious, but not how to do it

Postby h.harb » Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:00 pm

Good on you
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Re: It's easy to recognize the obvious, but not how to do it

Postby A.L.E » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:12 pm

Ihamilton wrote:It is amazing how a drill such as a double pole drag can make such a difference in such a short time frame. This morning at Whistler it was refrozen corduroy, ugly stuff, and I was skiing with Ian Dunn from Sydney. We decided to do drills and this was the first one. We did it combining with the HH tip of how to ski on ice posted a couple of months ago. Voila, it didn't seem so iced any more. As the snow softened up we added tuck turns for CA and CB. Ian's turns were amazing but he knew the phantom move already so a good skier got a lot better in a short time using simple drills the right way. Still lots of snow here, we don't close until late May.


I was lucky to be skiing with Irwin this morning, the icy conditions would have meant a couple of tough fruitless hours otherwise. Thankfully Irwin had already practiced HH's ice drill. It worked for me first turn ......after watching Irwin's quick demo.

Harald you have certified one very good & dedicated PMTS skier and coach in Irwin. He recognized my key areas of weakness very quickly. Congratulations to Harb Ski Systems and to Irwin.

My wife and daughter spent time earlier this week with Suzanne Malone, another PMTS Whistler instructor and received excellent tuition. Again another very strong PMTS instructor.

The varied sources of PMTS is a fantastic thing.
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