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Pulling the feet back

Postby Max_501 » Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:31 pm

Because we use a flex movement to release the turn its important to pull both feet back at transition to get the feet back under our hips (or as close as we can). This is done by contracting the hamstrings.

Here is an example of what a strong pull back of both feet looks like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BToYX1r8Bo4

In addition, its important to pull/hold the inside foot back throughout the turn.
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Re: Pulling the feet back

Postby arothafel » Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:20 pm

Nice! Great close-up /slo-mo of the movement many of us need to learn and practice. Thanks for posting Max.
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Re: Pulling the feet back

Postby HeluvaSkier » Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:39 pm

Nice work Max. It really shows just how much the feet need to be pulled back.
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Re: Pulling the feet back

Postby BigE » Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:41 pm

Hisato is "blow your mind" good. He won the title of best technical skier in the world at a competition in Whistler. It's easy to see why.

Note that there was absolutely no movement that would raise the hip through the float. Absolutely NO desire to stand up. Truly gorgeous skiing.
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Re: Pulling the feet back

Postby Max_501 » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:26 am

The Imagination Ski Training DVD has some of the best free skiing footage I've seen on video. Well worth adding to the skiing video library.

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=YD2-90
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Re: Pulling the feet back

Postby JohnMoore » Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:37 am

Is it PMTS style skiing in the DVD? Or rather, is there anything in his instruction which conflicts with PMTS? (Just going on what you see, that is, unless your Japanese is surprisingly good).
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Re: Pulling the feet back

Postby tdk6 » Fri Feb 27, 2009 5:25 am

Max_501 wrote:Because we use a flex movement to release the turn its important to pull both feet back at transition to get the feet back under our hips (or as close as we can). This is done by contracting the hamstrings.

Here is an example of what a strong pull back of both feet looks like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BToYX1r8Bo4

In addition, its important to pull/hold the inside foot back throughout the turn.

One dumb question. Pulling both feet back at transition to get the feet back under our hips suggests that our feet should be under our hips during the entire transition. However, this is not the case as well seen in the linked video. During edge change for instance feet are way ahead of hips. It also suggests that at some point in the turn our feet will not be under our hips. When would that be? IMHO its during transition that our feet are not under our hips.
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Re: Pulling the feet back

Postby HeluvaSkier » Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:20 am

tdk6 wrote:One dumb question. Pulling both feet back at transition to get the feet back under our hips suggests that our feet should be under our hips during the entire transition. However, this is not the case as well seen in the linked video. During edge change for instance feet are way ahead of hips. It also suggests that at some point in the turn our feet will not be under our hips. When would that be? IMHO its during transition that our feet are not under our hips.


I think you're making mountains out of mole hills again... This is not a hard concept, yet again you are trying to over-analyze it to the point of uselessness. The reason you have to pull your feet back in the first place is because (especially in transition) the feet have a tendency to run out in front of you.
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Re: Pulling the feet back

Postby BigE » Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:28 am

Right Heluva,

Especially at transition. It does NOT suggest that the hips are to be over the feet at transition. If they were, that would be the coaching point. Try to ski like that an you will dead-end.
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Re: Pulling the feet back

Postby Max_501 » Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:53 am

Yeah, you guys are right on the money. Its because of the fact that the feet end up ahead that the pull back is used. As far as timing goes, if you didn't do it during transition you'd start the new turn solidly on the tails which is undesirable (unless you are practicing a HeluvaRelease).
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Re: Pulling the feet back

Postby Max_501 » Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:43 am

JohnMoore wrote:Is it PMTS style skiing in the DVD? Or rather, is there anything in his instruction which conflicts with PMTS? (Just going on what you see, that is, unless your Japanese is surprisingly good).


The free skiing in the DVD is PMTS compatible. The instruction is all in Japanese so I don't know what they are teaching.
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Re: Pulling the feet back

Postby Baja1 » Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:11 am

Max_501 wrote: As far as timing goes, if you didn't do it during transition you'd start the new turn solidly on the tails which is undesirable (unless you are practicing a HeluvaRelease).


LOL

Greg, you'd better trademark that name before Harald incorporates it as an Essential and produces another DVD. :D
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Re: Pulling the feet back

Postby nipper » Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:21 am

I understand the concepts of pulling the free foot back and of pulling both feet back but I am unclear as to when it is appropriate to use each of the methods. Could someone please enlighten me.
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Re: Pulling the feet back

Postby HeluvaSkier » Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:50 am

Baja1 wrote:
Max_501 wrote: As far as timing goes, if you didn't do it during transition you'd start the new turn solidly on the tails which is undesirable (unless you are practicing a HeluvaRelease).


LOL

Greg, you'd better trademark that name before Harald incorporates it as an Essential and produces another DVD. :D


:lol: He can have it! I don't care if he uses it - but he is responsible for reproducing it on video for the DVD!
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Re: Pulling the feet back

Postby tdk6 » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:36 pm

HeluvaSkier wrote:
tdk6 wrote:One dumb question. Pulling both feet back at transition to get the feet back under our hips suggests that our feet should be under our hips during the entire transition. However, this is not the case as well seen in the linked video. During edge change for instance feet are way ahead of hips. It also suggests that at some point in the turn our feet will not be under our hips. When would that be? IMHO its during transition that our feet are not under our hips.


I think you're making mountains out of mole hills again... This is not a hard concept, yet again you are trying to over-analyze it to the point of uselessness. The reason you have to pull your feet back in the first place is because (especially in transition) the feet have a tendency to run out in front of you.

Pulling the feet back is hardly the same thing as having our feet under our hips during the whole transition. Tell me helluva, how do you want it, feet under hips during the whole transition or feet up front to pull back at the end of transition. Sorry for overanalyzing.....
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