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Boot-touch drills

Postby Arkady » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:08 pm

What is the main difference in purpose between boot-touch and hand-on-the-knee drills? Is the first better from PMTS point?
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Re: Boot-touch drills

Postby Max_501 » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:29 pm

PMTS has drills that use both, depends on what the coach is targeting and the flexibility of the student. For example, if I'm working with a friend that can't bend the knees enough to touch the boots I'll have him reach for the knees instead.
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Re: Boot-touch drills

Postby Arkady » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:47 pm

Then, is it true that in case of sufficient flexibility, boot touch would be the right thing to do? Or, there could be some special purpose in hand-on-the knee?
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Re: Boot-touch drills

Postby Max_501 » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:12 pm

Which drills are you thinking of?
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Re: Boot-touch drills

Postby skijim13 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:48 am

One of my favorites is the drill where you hold your poles above you knees and keep them pressed to the knees. The objective it to make turns without the poles losing contact with the knees (prevents a pop up during transition). Additionally the next purpose of the drill it to CA/CB, this would be seen by a raising of the inside hand (from CB of the hips not by bring the inside hand up only) and a slight turn of the hips and torso to the outside ski. We worked on this at the Super Blue camp and it helped me a great deal.
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Re: Boot-touch drills

Postby Arkady » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:45 pm

What I meant: skiing w/o poles, wide turns, relatively slow, inside hand strong, outside hand (1) touching the outside of the outside boot; (2) firm on the outside knee.
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Re: Boot-touch drills

Postby Max_501 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:17 am

Arkady wrote:What I meant: skiing w/o poles, wide turns, relatively slow, inside hand strong, outside hand (1) touching the outside of the outside boot; (2) firm on the outside knee.


What's the source you are using for the "outside hand firm on the outside knee" version?
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Re: Boot-touch drills

Postby Arkady » Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:43 pm

non-PMTS. This is why I am asking.
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Re: Boot-touch drills

Postby Max_501 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:48 pm

Arkady wrote:non-PMTS. This is why I am asking.


I don't understand. Why are you asking about a non PMTS drill variation on the PMTS forum? There must be hundreds of those. :?: :?: :?:
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Re: Boot-touch drills

Postby geoffda » Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:12 pm

Arkady wrote:What I meant: skiing w/o poles, wide turns, relatively slow, inside hand strong, outside hand (1) touching the outside of the outside boot; (2) firm on the outside knee.

The right question to ask is "what movement(s) does this drill develop?" Generally speaking, strong inside hand implies counteracting (if by strong you mean forward) and counterbalance (if by strong you mean raised). Touching the boot or the knee with the outside hand requires lowering the outside hip and bending the torso to the outside, both of which involve counterbalance. Touching the boot requires deep flexing of the knees, whereas touching the knee requires less flexion. Like max_501 said, some students aren't flexible enough for a boot touch. Alternatively, if you are only concerned with, say hip CB, you might find you get a better result with the hip with one approach over the other.
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