Late hit and edge set skiing!

[h.harb]

The difference between national teaching systems world wide and PMTS skiing.

[meput]

That's how I used to try to ski in the late '60's with straight skis. Not much to show for 40 years with TTS.

[A.L.E]

Interesting how many pine trees are now growing in Aussie resorts.

[MonsterMan]

For those that don't know Australia, we only have gum trees, (eucalypts), in the high country, no pines; so these "instructors" are skiing overseas.

[serious]

But for TTS, that is excellent skiing for the most part (unlike the video posted by A.L.E. for the short swing). At least these guys know how to work the rebound of the ski, although the energy is going into the hop instead of the next turn. Although they completely bypass the High-C engagement, I like the fact that they still use a good amount of tipping.

The good news is that I now have to think about skiing like that (as opposed to doing it instinctively). PMTS is becoming my dominant approach and when I say dominant, I mean instinctive or natural - I don't have to force it.

[carver_hk]

Forgive my ignorance. Every turns he made looks like the dolphin turns Harald shown us. Harald implied somewhere that its a very high level skiing. So if one goes airborne he is bound to be missing high-C skiing by definition. I don't understand what's wrong with it. maybe the difference between teaching and skiing?

[MonsterMan]

I don't understand what's wrong with it.

Is there a flexing of the stance leg to release?

[carver_hk]

it looks its the rebound from the skis that thrown him airborne. What he did after the apex is like maintaining a good pressure before he go airborne and then change edge in the air. I don't know if it counted as leg extension to release. I m seeing he did relax his legs by the small amount of snow spray soon after the apex until he engage again.

[MonsterMan]

it looks its the rebound from the skis that thrown him airborne. What he did after the apex is like maintaining a good pressure before he go airborne and then change edge in the air. I don't know if it counted as leg extension to release. I m seeing he did relax his legs by the small amount of snow spray soon after the apex until he engage again.

The stance leg in every turn is getting longer, our goal is to ingrain the opposite so we don't hurt peoples eyes when we ski.

[carver_hk]

this is the hard part for me to understand. if his leg gets longer why r there no snow spray?

this one Harald said is good. pls check @ 46second. it looks his leg gets longer. But I doubt its the same relaxation?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZckQEOs_0g&NR=1
out of Harald's posting: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2507

[MonsterMan]

if his leg gets longer why r there no snow spray?

Why would there be snow spray? Look at the knee joint. If it opens up, then there is extension.

[carver_hk]

Why would there be snow spray? Look at the knee joint. If it opens up, then there is extension.

I guess snow spray comes from pressure. If he have an up move, there should be added pressure and should therefore results in heavy snow spray. The next thing I don't get is what is the difference between the two videos when they both shows knee joints opening up(2nd vid in 46second is most obvious)?

edit: this is what Harald said: The real beauty in this demonstration is his ability to get off the snow without up movement.

so I just though rebound is the force that throw the skier airborne, the sign is probably no snow spray in lower C. While a push off by extension should result in heavy snow spray in lower C.

[JohnMoore]

I'm by no means as astute an observer of skiing as others on here, but it does seem to me that what these guys are doing is skidding the tails of their skis a little in each turn to shave off speed, rather than fully carving the turns, hence the plumes of snow to each side. It may be that this is inevitable, though, given the tightness of the turns - I don't know. Also, if they're not on slalom skis but on GS skis or some others with less sidecut, this would make a difference, wouldn't it?

[serious]

Common guys, this is simple. In this video they largely extend to release, while PMTS is looking for a flex to release. That beautiful rebound is used to extend powerfully and the up move (and some pivot entry) happens. In PMTS that rebound would be absorbed, thus letting the CM flow into the next turn. BIG DIFFERENCE. Still, you should appreciate the skill it takes to do this.

Forget the spray and the skidding since that happens in PMTS skiing too, when pure carves are not possible.

[A.L.E]

The confusion here has a logical explanation. This is as good as it gets for TTS instructors because it's Aussies doing the skiing!!!! Crap movements made good by Aussies can fool the best of them. Mind you the Monster and I didn't quite fool Harald at Loveland a couple of months ago but when we came in for lunch one day a Loveland race coach followed me up the stairs and complemented me on my turns and asked if I was an instructor, " yep you got it", I said. Clearly we fooled him easily enough.....then I realised I should have felt insulted.

Skiing is a very instinctive for us, we have that in common with the Swiss........Monsterman told me that.

We just have different trees to avoid.